What's sad, is all I can think of is the power vacuum that will be ravaged by social justice, and the inevitable bastardization and corrupting of Lee's creations.
I stand with what Stan Lee said. In my years of being a fan of pop culture and entertainment since I could friggin crawl and work the VCR when I was a toddler to wear out my favorite movies on VHS tape, I have always stuck by keeping established characters as their original race, gender and sexuality. I am a fan of that character regardless of their gender, race and sexuality because of their personality and journey, however their identity is WHO THEY ARE. Their traits should be left intact.
There is talk about changing Indiana Jones to be a woman, we already have that, her name is Lara Croft. I grew up playing her games as a kid, my sisters and I loved those games, not because we’re female, but because they are fun games, she is a character in her own right and yes it reminded us of Indy. But to us she was never a rip off of Indy, she stands well on her own. What I like about new characters is the many cross-over ideas. Indy and Lara team up? Yes please.
These slactivists like to go on and on about how important identity is and wield identity politics but in their stupid farce of “fighting the status quo” they believe only white straight characters identities are interchangeable.
If some asshole were to suggest to change Black Panther to be anything than black - I would stand with the fans to protest that.
If some asshole were to suggest change to Captain Jack Harkness to be straight - I would stand with the fans to protest that.
But when it is white straight characters that these bigoted feminist SJWs target it is “controversial and racist, sexist, homophobic” to protest changes to the character’s identity.
See, this hypocrisy is all one needs to see to know the SJWs, these post modernists that rather butcher other people’s creations than make their own to put their message/politics across (that is post modernism for ya) are full of shit when they claim to be fighting the status quo and for minorities.
When they do try to make their own characters, they fail to resonate because all they focus on is what identity group they are from. That makes it hard for people outside that group to relate to that character. SJWs and feminists make it all about the character’s gender, their race or sexuality, Which I find is sexist, racist and homophobic because these activists only see them as a token of a collective (through the SJW feminist lens, which means they are poor fragile victims), not an individual.
They prefer the easy, lazy route of changing established characters because it gains them the following, name/brand recognition and they don’t need to create a personality. These activists love to deconstruct and revise, they like to destroy instead of create.They think “compelling stories” is to invert everything the character stood for, examples: Luke Skywalker being turned into a coward and Captain America being revealed as a hydra agent nazi.
They are not fighting the status quo, they are pissing off a lot of core fans that have been there since the start, and they’re politicized escapism and making it harder for new minority characters because there are people now that expect them to be some a token or political propaganda mouthpiece, instead of a new character. And that is a huge problem. Bravo, activists, good job. They alienate and berate fans and then complain when no one watches or buys their crap. That is regressive “logic” for ya. get your activism out of entertainment. Get active by creating new stories and characters. Or BTFO, hacks.
Their shaming and attacking and smearing people who call them out on their bullshit, or fans that just don’t choose to watch their useless remake/reboots/re-imaginings is unwarranted. Problem easily solved: create new characters and don’t make the political ideological bs priority one above character and story. Someone else mentioned the other day that with the internet and free market it is much easier to use word-of-mouth to get independent content noticed, if mediocre stuff like Twilight and 50 Shades can do it then we’ve all got a chance.
Another reason they want to put “women/minority characters” (token characters) is as usual, they are using women/minorities to be the propaganda tools in their entertainment/ far-left propaganda. Because when fans call that shit out the critics and feminists SJWs can then shut down fans by calling them racist, sexist, white supremacists, nazis, bot, trolls, etc They can’t do that if the characters were white men, white men are not a protected group. They pulled this with Ghostbusters2016 and they pulled this shit again with The Last Jedi. Notice they couldn’t exactly pull this tactic off with Solo’s bomb at the box office.
They are bashing Stan Lee because of what he said, for standing his ground. Because he doesn’t agree with changing established characters. They are HIS characters. And the fans of these characters don’t have a problem with the character the way they are originally created. Only the post modernist SJW feminists do. They are the bigots here, they’re so intolerable and it goes without saying but I’ll say it anyway we know they hate white people and straight people. Especially straight white men. They need to get the fuck over it. Stan is not at fault. And neither are the fans that love and accept the characters as they are.
They cant create their own cuz they suck lol
They shame fans that dont like changes. who the fuck do they think they are? they sure as hell arent real fans when they want to change characters they didnt create to fit their politics
If they don’t like straight white characters then they can fuck off and find something else.
They pulled this very shit in every fanbase. They always have to change characters race and sexuality
Remember: they also wanted Captain America to stop being White & Straight.
Yup they have a scary obsession with wanting to make everything non-white and queer. If they stop wasting time policing ppl and worked on making new stuff then they would have new stuff for their enjoyment. Thing is, i think they dont want us to enjoy what we want to enjoy.
Heaven forbid the guy that created the character have an opinion on his creation
SJW cant create anyhthing good, so they subvert things for thier cause. smh
There is zero justifiable reason to alter established, beloved, and successful heroes in this manner.
[Transcrip:] We’ve been seeing this happen a lot with far left comic pros had Twitter rants accusing the community of gatekeeping. They claim that the community is trying to keep out minorities, gays and women. Nevermind that those people have always been a part of the community and make up a large portion of the people complaining about the far-left politics appearing in comics.
The irony of course is at Guerrera, Fowler and Thompson and those like them are the ones who are gatekeeping. They’re the ones controlling the content. They’re the ones telling people what they can draw, what types of characters they can create and how they can depict those characters. They’re the ones saying who should be allowed within the community itself, right now - who should even be allowed to buy books.
For the Far-left is isn’t about any real sense of community, it is about their politics, their ideology.
What usually happens is that the far-left goes after their own. They don’t just virtue signal to show that they’re one of the good ones, they sometimes do it to distance themselves from anyone or anything that would bring down the ire of the party and I think it’s fair to think of the situation in terms of ‘1984’ because it fits the Orwellian model. The people who face the greatest scrutiny and punishment are those who belong to the party, and it’s the outer party members who get it the worst. It’s not just because they’re controlled by this hardcore doctrine, it’s also because they live under constant fear of suspicion. They’re essentially ratting on each other and they’re terrified of anyone finding out anything that can be used against them.
This is perfectly explained in the book the “True Believer” by Eric Hopper. I’ve mentioned the book before and it bears mentioning again because it’s so on point. Hopper says in this section about suspicion within mass movements; quote “the awareness of their individual blemishes and shortcomings inclines too frustrated to detect ill-will and meanness in their fellow men.“
We see this all the time.
The moment someone questions a change to a character the addition of partisan politics or the hiring of people based on their identity, the immediate response is to attack the person. It’s not enough to disagree with them, they’ve got to be named called labeled, dehumanized, unpersoned. From these people’s perspective there’s never any valid reason to have a problem with the party, so whoever does complaint must be a ‘bad person’ and anyone who remotely associates with that bad person is also ‘bad ’. When I say remotely I mean something as disconnected as people liking and buying someone’s books. What they’re doing is nothing more than projection.
These folks don’t want this level of control placed on them but they also don’t want to deal with the fallout, so when they see someone showing the tiniest inkling of free thought - they pounce. We see this in the way at the far left eat their own.
They devour anyone who reminds them of their own flaws. There’s a weird flipside to this Hopper says quote; “self-contempt however vague sharpens our eyes for the imperfection of others we usually strive to reveal in others the blemishes we hide in ourselves.“
This is why you find so many of the people who complain about racism are usually the most racist people.
The same with sexism, the most sexist people you’ll ever meet are feminists.
The people who rally against discrimination around sexual identity will say the most hateful things about anyone who isn’t part of their group.
We see this in the comics community with how the far-left creators immediately label someone a “bigot” and “bully” as they engage in that very bigoted and bullying behaviors themselves. But there’s another element to this and this is the one I think is most relevant to what’s been happening lately in the comics community.
Hopper says; quote “That’s when it frustrated congregate in the mass movement the air is heavy laden with suspicion there is prying and spying, tense watching and tense awareness of being watched the surprising thing is that this pathological mistrust within the ranks leads not to dissension but to strict conformity. Knowing themselves continually watched the faith will strive to escape suspicion by hearing zealously to proscribed behavior and opinion. Strict orthodoxy is as much the result of mutual suspicion as of ardent faith.”
The people who feel lucky to be part of big brothers party but they’re still out-of-party members and like in ‘1984’ everything they do is monitored and control as Hopper says; quote “Mass movements make extensive use of suspicion in their machinery of domination: fear one’s neighbors, one’s friends and even ones a relative seems to be the rule within all mass movements. Now and then innocent people are deliberately accused and sacrifice in order to keep suspicion alive.” Every movement needs an adversary. It doesn’t matter who or what it is so long as it’s either a single individual that can personify all the evil the movement hates *coughs*Trump*coughs* or a broad nebulous group that’s both easy and impossible to identify; all right Nazis.
Hopper says; quote “Suspicion is given a sharp edge by associating all opposition within the ranks with the enemy threatening the movement from without this enemy the indispensable devil of every movement is omnipresent.
This villain is everywhere both outside and inside the sacred group and must be fished out because as Hopper says quote; “If anything goes wrong within the movement, it is his doing it is a sacred duty of the true believer to be suspicious he must be constantly on the lookout for saboteurs, spies and traitors.”
That’s exactly what we’ve been seeing lately a closing of the ranks to make sure that no one thinks for themselves. The idea of gatekeeping, this happened within the atheist community tech community, the gaming community, in various music communities and now in the comic book and even anime communities.
Gatekeeping simply means controlling and usually limiting general access to something. It’s a pretty normal thing for people to do we create groups and we police them in order to maintain a group’s configuration, sometimes this is done out of hate and bigotry. Most of the time it’s done simply to make sure the group doesn’t change too much. It’s not hard to think of examples of this from politics or religion. Like I said, it’s what people do when it comes to hobbies though it can get tricky because these communities are by their nature fluid.
People drop in and out all the time and it’s easy for something to go from a niche group, to socially popular, to something in between and to swing through all of them like a pendulum. It tends to be the case that when something hits pop culture there’s a wave of people who join a group more because it’s the thing to do, not because they’re interested in that thing. Eventually they lose interest but the damage to the community is already done. This is why so many communities hate when something hits mainstream success. The weird part is that even with this reaction, most communities remain open to newcomers as long as people are willing to accept the community for what it is.
The comic-book community is a fairly open and free group of people. Everyone has favorite characters, titles, and publishers. Everyone has their favorite eras of comics, favorite creators, even their favorite style of storytelling. All are welcome, even if people can’t stand the books other people like. The quote “gatekeeping” that happens in the comic book community is just an attempt to keep that openness going. That’s technically not even gatekeeping. No one’s saying you can’t read, buy or make comics that are different from what others prefer. They’re only saying that you can’t come in and make everything about *you*.
Now contrast about what we see coming from the far left, here you have creators telling people what they can draw, what types of characters they can create, how they can depict those characters and who should be allowed within the community itself, right down to who can even buy the books.
For the far-left it’s not about any real sense of community but about the ideology the politics Hopper explains what’s going on; quote “Collective unity is not the result of brotherly love of the faithful for each other the loyalty of the true believer is to the whole, the church, party, nation, not to his fellow true believer. True loyalty between individuals is possible only in a loose and relatively free society. The act of mass movement sees in the personal ties of blood and friendship a diminution of its own corporate cohesion, thus mutual suspicion within the ranks is not only compatible with corporate strength, but one might also say a precondition of it.”
This is part of the reason why these folks turn on each other; they’re not really friends. There’s no real loyalty between them. They’re friends in the same sense that I’m your friend, there is no deep connection that binds me to you unless we know each other personally.
The far-left like most mass movements take this a step further because this happens face-to-face. These are people who actually know each other, who sit and talk with each other, hang out with each other, and at first second and third glance looked like friends but they’re not, not really. You can’t build a community like that. No one will actually feel welcomed and if they do they won’t feel it for very long. That’s because these types of communities do gatekeep. They do control and limit access to the community and to the things outside of the community, and that’s why it is not about the comics (or any medium) for them it’s really about the politics.
The whole as Hopper puts it; if you agree with their politics it doesn’t really matter what you say or do you can be the most disgusting person and they will at least publicly back you but dare you hold a contrary opinion of so much as to talk to the ‘untouchables’ and you’re out you. You don’t even have to have any direct contact with anything verboten. If the wrong person simply likes your work you’d better check them or you’re in with the enemy.
It’s silly and immature and frightening but this is what we’re witnessing.
The best reaction to this is what people have been doing - standing your ground. This stuff only works when there is no actual opposition this is something I think people need to understand about the far left encroachment into Hobby communities. They’re only as effective as you allow them to be.
When metalheads stood up to the progressive left who tried to bully their way into the community, the progressives had no recourse, what were they gonna do? Shame a group of people who’ve always been shamed by society at large? Good luck. The same thing happened with gamergate, this tactic didn’t work because gamers have dealt with people bullying them for decades, not only that but the community is built around competition and this was a challenge. Gamers accepted and won.
As usual the other element is that it’s a consumers market and you can’t bully people into buying things they don’t want the comic book community needs to have the same responses as these two communities don’t fall for the ploys or try to defend the straw man accusations.
Don’t fall for the half-assed treatment either, what I mean is that when the far-left can’t completely get their way they try this middling approach where they dial back the politics a little bit here and there to see how much you’re willing to accept - don’t accept any of it. If they write a good book admit that but if they’re still drawing women like men, adding in dollar store token characters and hiring people based on that politics or identity - call it out and don’t support the book. That’s a stance you have to take to get the point across, you can have that if you so desire but you can’t make me want it or buy it and it’s okay to move the needle, it’s incredibly effective and as we’ve seen the far left doesn’t have any real response to it. What are they gonna say? Don’t buy books that you like? Are they going to tell creators to tell people not to buy their books? There’s no response they can have to it other than simply supporting books they like and we’ve seen they’re not interested in doing that because say it with me “They don’t buy comics.“
But people also have to defend the community and the best way to do that is by standing your ground, when people come in demanding control over the community. No you can’t have that, the community is open to everyone, not just people who agree with *your* views.
Them snowflakes have no real world experiences. Likely never had sex either.
The more interactions they have online, the less they have in real life. They are glued to their iphones and ipads and yet they’re anti-capitalism lol, so braindamaged.
These people are lunatics, the far left, feminists, BLM, genderqueer which is just attention whoring, and the slash and rabid shippers who only want to wank off, they dont give a fuck about the characters, story or fandom, especially other fans
Ever notice the left are into forming lynch mobs? They wont keep it a one on one interaction, they gather a mob, light the torches and grab the pitch forks. A lot of what they’re complaining about isn’t a criminal, or civil offence- so it’s just a moral difference, and they can’t stand that. Same as traditional Marxism- if you don’t conform to their demands there’s violent consequences. This isn’t a libertine design, it’s doesn’t meet the requirements, what we’re seeing is something more akin to an Islamic state dictator. Which makes a sort of sense given the attitude, behaviour and choices of these retards.
Someone once said repeating the same actions and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. It also seems to be the favorite past time of SJWs
This has been going on for years now. It hit education first, then it started moving into music, then video games, now comic books. Every single aspect of the development of young minds is what they are attacking to force their POV on the rest of the country. While we sit back and be “nice” about things they attack attack attack.
I’ve said this so many times: these people are jealous of what they can’t create, so they destroy the object of their envy in order to tear it down and tear down anyone who likes it.
These miserable losers have no hope for humanity, no desire to see the best in people, so everything they create is pessimistic, cynical, postmodern ambiguous immorality. Hell, I’m about as cynical and pessimistic as they come and even I favor stories that have SOME good in them. I at least want people to try for goodness and fail, not for everyone to just give up, give in, or never try at all.
I always saw hero comics as modern fables or anti-fables, where the main character can be boiled down to a couple of moral principles and the plot puts those up to a test. At the end it does not matter if the hero wins or loses, because we have a clear understanding of the reasons why the choices were made, while we also see the consequences. The part of right and wrong is left for the reader to decide. Now I mostly see propaganda or plain stupidity presented as normal. I think it is not that they set out to destroy the characters, more like they themselves have no clear principles or moral compass. Like how you cannot build a castle on sand.
I agree wholeheartedly, there’s something damaged or dirty in them where they get to the point where if they someone who has created something good they attack the creator because they cannot comprehend the value and good in creating something wonderful. Perhaps it lends credence into fact that SJWs feminists are extreme neo marxists hating on families…they confess by their seething hatred of heterosexuality and gender roles and natural masculinity and femininity, stay at home mothers and anything outside the lgbtq+ which is just stuff people do in their bedrooms, sexual preferences and the marxists have radicalized these as identities….that their self only revolves around your sex activities and what color you are. Marxism is toxic to society and people. So is identity politics.
They need to take the thing you created away from you because you cannot be allowed to spread your “wrong think” to other people. We are seeing this with their destruction of iconic male heroes in pop culture, like Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, the original Ghostbusters. they emasculate male characters in all pop culture by feminizing them and shipping them with other men despite the fact they are not canonically queer. It is just the marxists do not want any love or influential white straight cis male characters to be seen in a good way, they prefer to change them to black, gay or trans, or gender swap them under the guise of “diversity’ or ‘progress’ or ‘equality’ etc. Their ideology is that extreme. Check out the behavior of any shipperbase that is slash or yaoi.
Google search “The Banishment of Beauty” – it’s been going on since before any of us were born, and comic-books are arguably the last facet of Western culture to come under sustained assault. And the best and most recent example is the destruction of the Star Wars franchise under Kathleen Kennedy.
So you’re aware of the social Marxism dedicated to destroying all forms of classification, competency or differences through the use of postmodernism. They’re using comics as a platform for leftists to produce propaganda in the hopes of converting more people to their cause. The final destination of these ideas are the extermination of all objective reality. White men are only targeted because they’re the biggest barrier for this final goal, everything else is false justification which isn’t why they’re doing what they’re doing. Low resolution intersectionality, identity politics and well as standard misandrist rhetoric is made to tear our society apart. We need to realise what they’re really doing and remove them from positions of influence, step by step.
Very intellectual viewpoint on SJWs and their goals. I feel they are full of shit and retarded as fuck, the lowest scum of the earth humanity will ever know
Normalcy is a very real thing. There are normal distributions for a reason. It’s scientific. (That said, these people hate science too)
They hate science and religion, it’s a really bizarre space to be in. I’m more into science, personally agnostic, but to have no interest in science or religion…well..You just believe in magic.
How do they think somehow men and women (gender) are social constructs and yet desire hormones (which is biological) to change your GENDER (which is according to them a “SOCIAL construct”). That makes no sense, but you don’t have to be consistent in your opinions or beliefs when belong to a victimhood extremist hateful cult.
It’s fine for the alt-lifestyle types to do their thing and promote tolerance but when they impose their beliefs and want to make their way the new normal, then we have a problem. We’ll tolerate something, but we don’t have to embrace it. The way they are going about it by shoving it in our face, brainwashing kids and shaming us is fascism in it’s purest form. And fascists is what the far left really are and always have been.
These people are parasites. Damaged parasites who drain the life and enjoyment out of everything around them hoping to fill some unseen void they have inside. They interject themselves and try to fundamentally change the hobby to fit their void but it can’t ever happen. And when the hobby inevitably ends up not being the solution, they blame the hobby and try to destroy it for failing them. Over and over again, hobby after hobby.
It needed to be said, and I’m glad you said it. Norms are norms for a reason and there’s nothing heroic about breaking things that work well. Only the egotistical think they can improve what has and always has naturally worked.
I wish I could give this one a thousand ‘likes’ because you put your finger on the nerve of the problem. All this SJW stuff is *deliberate*. It comes from Postmodernism and Postmodernists want to destroy Western culture:
That’s why in paganism statues resemble cultural traits of those deities. Like hindu Gods having a shit ton of hands or greek Gods having perfect fit bodies. That same idea is translated to all media, it’s not “muh male gaze” shit that SJWs say, they are so freaking childish
SJW’s hate humanity. Nuff Said.
Kill their heroes and you kill their spirit. The reasoning for SJW Marvel. That is what SJW Disney did to Star Wars when they butchered Luke and Han.
Exactly. They do it to any straight white cis male. But if anyone were to change lgbt or black character to non black or lgbt…..WW3 is how these regressives act, their ideology is complete bigotry and hypocrisy.
Fucking double standards yall. I’m not against them getting their own characters, just stop changing already established ones. Be fucking original But oh wait they are anti free market and capitalism, they rather just hijack other people’s work. But then look how shitty SJWs are at making characters, they have a deep rooted psychological problem with how human beings function. My guess that is why they just change established characters race/gender/sexuality because all the real work is pre-done. The marxists are slime.
FUCKING-A
Western civilization is built up on the notion of an objective absolute truth, which includes classical beauty. SJWs and their postmodernism worldview do not adhere to this. They only subscribe to their own subjective perceptions of reality which are infinitely malleable and consistently self-serving. They hate objective truth, beauty, logic, diversity of thought, freedom, independence, responsibility and critical thinking. They want to destroy those things because it only gives their collective more power.
There is no doubt, they are a cult, not like a cult but are one.
The real issue with the Western World is the push for Feminism, with it’s attachment to Post-Modernism and Marxism, which has been twisted to mean ‘Everything is a social construct’ is what you’re railing about. That and ‘Hipsters’.
Ultimately it goes all the way back to the Biblical phrase “Woe to those that call evil good and good, evil.” Advance the clock a couple thousand years and you have the Marxian idea of making art ugly to dispirit the populace.
As they say, and history shows, there’s nothing new under the sun. You just gotta open your eyes wide enough to see it.
Some people are ugly. They are the outcasts. The ones who have been denied dates and been turned down enough that they become embittered towards the “looks” hierarchy. They resent “classical beauty as much as they envy it, and take it out on others. Here you see people like that drawing comic books, resenting beauty and refusing to draw or write characters to a human ideal.
There’s a discussion that can be had about, “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”
But these marxist cretins have NO concept of beauty. I think you are correct in saying that they hate humanity, because they see nothing beautiful about it. Nothing pleases them, nothing means anything to them, they think everyone about the human condition is customizable and the only good feelings they have are the emotional validations that they coerce from others through social manipulation to feed their narcissism.
Really, everything about envy, about weaponized victimhood, about the the nature of beauty, about the debasement of normality, it all sums up the Leftists in a fragile nutshell.
Makes sense now why the Left censor and slander people they see as a threat and want to shut down the free market. The Leftist ideologues will lose because they produce nothing but ugly, nihilistic and rehashed garbage.
[Transcrip:] We’ve been seeing this happen a lot with far left comic pros had Twitter rants accusing the community of gatekeeping. They claim that the community is trying to keep out minorities, gays and women. Nevermind that those people have always been a part of the community and make up a large portion of the people complaining about the far-left politics appearing in comics.
The irony of course is at Guerrera, Fowler and Thompson and those like them are the ones who are gatekeeping. They’re the ones controlling the content. They’re the ones telling people what they can draw, what types of characters they can create and how they can depict those characters. They’re the ones saying who should be allowed within the community itself, right now - who should even be allowed to buy books.
For the Far-left is isn’t about any real sense of community, it is about their politics, their ideology.
What usually happens is that the far-left goes after their own. They don’t just virtue signal to show that they’re one of the good ones, they sometimes do it to distance themselves from anyone or anything that would bring down the ire of the party and I think it’s fair to think of the situation in terms of ‘1984’ because it fits the Orwellian model. The people who face the greatest scrutiny and punishment are those who belong to the party, and it’s the outer party members who get it the worst. It’s not just because they’re controlled by this hardcore doctrine, it’s also because they live under constant fear of suspicion. They’re essentially ratting on each other and they’re terrified of anyone finding out anything that can be used against them.
This is perfectly explained in the book the “True Believer” by Eric Hopper. I’ve mentioned the book before and it bears mentioning again because it’s so on point. Hopper says in this section about suspicion within mass movements; quote “the awareness of their individual blemishes and shortcomings inclines too frustrated to detect ill-will and meanness in their fellow men.“
We see this all the time.
The moment someone questions a change to a character the addition of partisan politics or the hiring of people based on their identity, the immediate response is to attack the person. It’s not enough to disagree with them, they’ve got to be named called labeled, dehumanized, unpersoned. From these people’s perspective there’s never any valid reason to have a problem with the party, so whoever does complaint must be a ‘bad person’ and anyone who remotely associates with that bad person is also ‘bad ’. When I say remotely I mean something as disconnected as people liking and buying someone’s books. What they’re doing is nothing more than projection.
These folks don’t want this level of control placed on them but they also don’t want to deal with the fallout, so when they see someone showing the tiniest inkling of free thought - they pounce. We see this in the way at the far left eat their own.
They devour anyone who reminds them of their own flaws. There’s a weird flipside to this Hopper says quote; “self-contempt however vague sharpens our eyes for the imperfection of others we usually strive to reveal in others the blemishes we hide in ourselves.“
This is why you find so many of the people who complain about racism are usually the most racist people.
The same with sexism, the most sexist people you’ll ever meet are feminists.
The people who rally against discrimination around sexual identity will say the most hateful things about anyone who isn’t part of their group.
We see this in the comics community with how the far-left creators immediately label someone a “bigot” and “bully” as they engage in that very bigoted and bullying behaviors themselves. But there’s another element to this and this is the one I think is most relevant to what’s been happening lately in the comics community.
Hopper says; quote “That’s when it frustrated congregate in the mass movement the air is heavy laden with suspicion there is prying and spying, tense watching and tense awareness of being watched the surprising thing is that this pathological mistrust within the ranks leads not to dissension but to strict conformity. Knowing themselves continually watched the faith will strive to escape suspicion by hearing zealously to proscribed behavior and opinion. Strict orthodoxy is as much the result of mutual suspicion as of ardent faith.”
The people who feel lucky to be part of big brothers party but they’re still out-of-party members and like in ‘1984’ everything they do is monitored and control as Hopper says; quote “Mass movements make extensive use of suspicion in their machinery of domination: fear one’s neighbors, one’s friends and even ones a relative seems to be the rule within all mass movements. Now and then innocent people are deliberately accused and sacrifice in order to keep suspicion alive.” Every movement needs an adversary. It doesn’t matter who or what it is so long as it’s either a single individual that can personify all the evil the movement hates *coughs*Trump*coughs* or a broad nebulous group that’s both easy and impossible to identify; all right Nazis.
Hopper says; quote “Suspicion is given a sharp edge by associating all opposition within the ranks with the enemy threatening the movement from without this enemy the indispensable devil of every movement is omnipresent.
This villain is everywhere both outside and inside the sacred group and must be fished out because as Hopper says quote; “If anything goes wrong within the movement, it is his doing it is a sacred duty of the true believer to be suspicious he must be constantly on the lookout for saboteurs, spies and traitors.”
That’s exactly what we’ve been seeing lately a closing of the ranks to make sure that no one thinks for themselves. The idea of gatekeeping, this happened within the atheist community tech community, the gaming community, in various music communities and now in the comic book and even anime communities.
Gatekeeping simply means controlling and usually limiting general access to something. It’s a pretty normal thing for people to do we create groups and we police them in order to maintain a group’s configuration, sometimes this is done out of hate and bigotry. Most of the time it’s done simply to make sure the group doesn’t change too much. It’s not hard to think of examples of this from politics or religion. Like I said, it’s what people do when it comes to hobbies though it can get tricky because these communities are by their nature fluid.
People drop in and out all the time and it’s easy for something to go from a niche group, to socially popular, to something in between and to swing through all of them like a pendulum. It tends to be the case that when something hits pop culture there’s a wave of people who join a group more because it’s the thing to do, not because they’re interested in that thing. Eventually they lose interest but the damage to the community is already done. This is why so many communities hate when something hits mainstream success. The weird part is that even with this reaction, most communities remain open to newcomers as long as people are willing to accept the community for what it is.
The comic-book community is a fairly open and free group of people. Everyone has favorite characters, titles, and publishers. Everyone has their favorite eras of comics, favorite creators, even their favorite style of storytelling. All are welcome, even if people can’t stand the books other people like. The quote “gatekeeping” that happens in the comic book community is just an attempt to keep that openness going. That’s technically not even gatekeeping. No one’s saying you can’t read, buy or make comics that are different from what others prefer. They’re only saying that you can’t come in and make everything about *you*.
Now contrast about what we see coming from the far left, here you have creators telling people what they can draw, what types of characters they can create, how they can depict those characters and who should be allowed within the community itself, right down to who can even buy the books.
For the far-left it’s not about any real sense of community but about the ideology the politics Hopper explains what’s going on; quote “Collective unity is not the result of brotherly love of the faithful for each other the loyalty of the true believer is to the whole, the church, party, nation, not to his fellow true believer. True loyalty between individuals is possible only in a loose and relatively free society. The act of mass movement sees in the personal ties of blood and friendship a diminution of its own corporate cohesion, thus mutual suspicion within the ranks is not only compatible with corporate strength, but one might also say a precondition of it.”
This is part of the reason why these folks turn on each other; they’re not really friends. There’s no real loyalty between them. They’re friends in the same sense that I’m your friend, there is no deep connection that binds me to you unless we know each other personally.
The far-left like most mass movements take this a step further because this happens face-to-face. These are people who actually know each other, who sit and talk with each other, hang out with each other, and at first second and third glance looked like friends but they’re not, not really. You can’t build a community like that. No one will actually feel welcomed and if they do they won’t feel it for very long. That’s because these types of communities do gatekeep. They do control and limit access to the community and to the things outside of the community, and that’s why it is not about the comics (or any medium) for them it’s really about the politics.
The whole as Hopper puts it; if you agree with their politics it doesn’t really matter what you say or do you can be the most disgusting person and they will at least publicly back you but dare you hold a contrary opinion of so much as to talk to the ‘untouchables’ and you’re out you. You don’t even have to have any direct contact with anything verboten. If the wrong person simply likes your work you’d better check them or you’re in with the enemy.
It’s silly and immature and frightening but this is what we’re witnessing.
The best reaction to this is what people have been doing - standing your ground. This stuff only works when there is no actual opposition this is something I think people need to understand about the far left encroachment into Hobby communities. They’re only as effective as you allow them to be.
When metalheads stood up to the progressive left who tried to bully their way into the community, the progressives had no recourse, what were they gonna do? Shame a group of people who’ve always been shamed by society at large? Good luck. The same thing happened with gamergate, this tactic didn’t work because gamers have dealt with people bullying them for decades, not only that but the community is built around competition and this was a challenge. Gamers accepted and won.
As usual the other element is that it’s a consumers market and you can’t bully people into buying things they don’t want the comic book community needs to have the same responses as these two communities don’t fall for the ploys or try to defend the straw man accusations.
Don’t fall for the half-assed treatment either, what I mean is that when the far-left can’t completely get their way they try this middling approach where they dial back the politics a little bit here and there to see how much you’re willing to accept - don’t accept any of it. If they write a good book admit that but if they’re still drawing women like men, adding in dollar store token characters and hiring people based on that politics or identity - call it out and don’t support the book. That’s a stance you have to take to get the point across, you can have that if you so desire but you can’t make me want it or buy it and it’s okay to move the needle, it’s incredibly effective and as we’ve seen the far left doesn’t have any real response to it. What are they gonna say? Don’t buy books that you like? Are they going to tell creators to tell people not to buy their books? There’s no response they can have to it other than simply supporting books they like and we’ve seen they’re not interested in doing that because say it with me “They don’t buy comics.“
But people also have to defend the community and the best way to do that is by standing your ground, when people come in demanding control over the community. No you can’t have that, the community is open to everyone, not just people who agree with *your* views.
Them snowflakes have no real world experiences. Likely never had sex either.
The more interactions they have online, the less they have in real life. They are glued to their iphones and ipads and yet they’re anti-capitalism lol, so braindamaged.
These people are lunatics, the far left, feminists, BLM, genderqueer which is just attention whoring, and the slash and rabid shippers who only want to wank off, they dont give a fuck about the characters, story or fandom, especially other fans
Ever notice the left are into forming lynch mobs? They wont keep it a one on one interaction, they gather a mob, light the torches and grab the pitch forks. A lot of what they’re complaining about isn’t a criminal, or civil offence- so it’s just a moral difference, and they can’t stand that. Same as traditional Marxism- if you don’t conform to their demands there’s violent consequences. This isn’t a libertine design, it’s doesn’t meet the requirements, what we’re seeing is something more akin to an Islamic state dictator. Which makes a sort of sense given the attitude, behaviour and choices of these retards.
Someone once said repeating the same actions and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. It also seems to be the favorite past time of SJWs
This has been going on for years now. It hit education first, then it started moving into music, then video games, now comic books. Every single aspect of the development of young minds is what they are attacking to force their POV on the rest of the country. While we sit back and be “nice” about things they attack attack attack.
I’ve said this so many times: these people are jealous of what they can’t create, so they destroy the object of their envy in order to tear it down and tear down anyone who likes it.
These miserable losers have no hope for humanity, no desire to see the best in people, so everything they create is pessimistic, cynical, postmodern ambiguous immorality. Hell, I’m about as cynical and pessimistic as they come and even I favor stories that have SOME good in them. I at least want people to try for goodness and fail, not for everyone to just give up, give in, or never try at all.
I always saw hero comics as modern fables or anti-fables, where the main character can be boiled down to a couple of moral principles and the plot puts those up to a test. At the end it does not matter if the hero wins or loses, because we have a clear understanding of the reasons why the choices were made, while we also see the consequences. The part of right and wrong is left for the reader to decide. Now I mostly see propaganda or plain stupidity presented as normal. I think it is not that they set out to destroy the characters, more like they themselves have no clear principles or moral compass. Like how you cannot build a castle on sand.
I agree wholeheartedly, there’s something damaged or dirty in them where they get to the point where if they someone who has created something good they attack the creator because they cannot comprehend the value and good in creating something wonderful. Perhaps it lends credence into fact that SJWs feminists are extreme neo marxists hating on families…they confess by their seething hatred of heterosexuality and gender roles and natural masculinity and femininity, stay at home mothers and anything outside the lgbtq+ which is just stuff people do in their bedrooms, sexual preferences and the marxists have radicalized these as identities….that their self only revolves around your sex activities and what color you are. Marxism is toxic to society and people. So is identity politics.
They need to take the thing you created away from you because you cannot be allowed to spread your “wrong think” to other people. We are seeing this with their destruction of iconic male heroes in pop culture, like Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, the original Ghostbusters. they emasculate male characters in all pop culture by feminizing them and shipping them with other men despite the fact they are not canonically queer. It is just the marxists do not want any love or influential white straight cis male characters to be seen in a good way, they prefer to change them to black, gay or trans, or gender swap them under the guise of “diversity’ or ‘progress’ or ‘equality’ etc. Their ideology is that extreme. Check out the behavior of any shipperbase that is slash or yaoi.
Google search “The Banishment of Beauty” – it’s been going on since before any of us were born, and comic-books are arguably the last facet of Western culture to come under sustained assault. And the best and most recent example is the destruction of the Star Wars franchise under Kathleen Kennedy.
So you’re aware of the social Marxism dedicated to destroying all forms of classification, competency or differences through the use of postmodernism. They’re using comics as a platform for leftists to produce propaganda in the hopes of converting more people to their cause. The final destination of these ideas are the extermination of all objective reality. White men are only targeted because they’re the biggest barrier for this final goal, everything else is false justification which isn’t why they’re doing what they’re doing. Low resolution intersectionality, identity politics and well as standard misandrist rhetoric is made to tear our society apart. We need to realise what they’re really doing and remove them from positions of influence, step by step.
Very intellectual viewpoint on SJWs and their goals. I feel they are full of shit and retarded as fuck, the lowest scum of the earth humanity will ever know
Normalcy is a very real thing. There are normal distributions for a reason. It’s scientific. (That said, these people hate science too)
They hate science and religion, it’s a really bizarre space to be in. I’m more into science, personally agnostic, but to have no interest in science or religion…well..You just believe in magic.
How do they think somehow men and women (gender) are social constructs and yet desire hormones (which is biological) to change your GENDER (which is according to them a “SOCIAL construct”). That makes no sense, but you don’t have to be consistent in your opinions or beliefs when belong to a victimhood extremist hateful cult.
It’s fine for the alt-lifestyle types to do their thing and promote tolerance but when they impose their beliefs and want to make their way the new normal, then we have a problem. We’ll tolerate something, but we don’t have to embrace it. The way they are going about it by shoving it in our face, brainwashing kids and shaming us is fascism in it’s purest form. And fascists is what the far left really are and always have been.
These people are parasites. Damaged parasites who drain the life and enjoyment out of everything around them hoping to fill some unseen void they have inside. They interject themselves and try to fundamentally change the hobby to fit their void but it can’t ever happen. And when the hobby inevitably ends up not being the solution, they blame the hobby and try to destroy it for failing them. Over and over again, hobby after hobby.
It needed to be said, and I’m glad you said it. Norms are norms for a reason and there’s nothing heroic about breaking things that work well. Only the egotistical think they can improve what has and always has naturally worked.
I wish I could give this one a thousand ‘likes’ because you put your finger on the nerve of the problem. All this SJW stuff is *deliberate*. It comes from Postmodernism and Postmodernists want to destroy Western culture:
That’s why in paganism statues resemble cultural traits of those deities. Like hindu Gods having a shit ton of hands or greek Gods having perfect fit bodies. That same idea is translated to all media, it’s not “muh male gaze” shit that SJWs say, they are so freaking childish
SJW’s hate humanity. Nuff Said.
Kill their heroes and you kill their spirit. The reasoning for SJW Marvel. That is what SJW Disney did to Star Wars when they butchered Luke and Han.
Exactly. They do it to any straight white cis male. But if anyone were to change lgbt or black character to non black or lgbt…..WW3 is how these regressives act, their ideology is complete bigotry and hypocrisy.
Fucking double standards yall. I’m not against them getting their own characters, just stop changing already established ones. Be fucking original But oh wait they are anti free market and capitalism, they rather just hijack other people’s work. But then look how shitty SJWs are at making characters, they have a deep rooted psychological problem with how human beings function. My guess that is why they just change established characters race/gender/sexuality because all the real work is pre-done. The marxists are slime.
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Western civilization is built up on the notion of an objective absolute truth, which includes classical beauty. SJWs and their postmodernism worldview do not adhere to this. They only subscribe to their own subjective perceptions of reality which are infinitely malleable and consistently self-serving. They hate objective truth, beauty, logic, diversity of thought, freedom, independence, responsibility and critical thinking. They want to destroy those things because it only gives their collective more power.
There is no doubt, they are a cult, not like a cult but are one.
The real issue with the Western World is the push for Feminism, with it’s attachment to Post-Modernism and Marxism, which has been twisted to mean ‘Everything is a social construct’ is what you’re railing about. That and ‘Hipsters’.
Ultimately it goes all the way back to the Biblical phrase “Woe to those that call evil good and good, evil.” Advance the clock a couple thousand years and you have the Marxian idea of making art ugly to dispirit the populace.
As they say, and history shows, there’s nothing new under the sun. You just gotta open your eyes wide enough to see it.
Some people are ugly. They are the outcasts. The ones who have been denied dates and been turned down enough that they become embittered towards the “looks” hierarchy. They resent “classical beauty as much as they envy it, and take it out on others. Here you see people like that drawing comic books, resenting beauty and refusing to draw or write characters to a human ideal.
There’s a discussion that can be had about, “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”
But these marxist cretins have NO concept of beauty. I think you are correct in saying that they hate humanity, because they see nothing beautiful about it. Nothing pleases them, nothing means anything to them, they think everyone about the human condition is customizable and the only good feelings they have are the emotional validations that they coerce from others through social manipulation to feed their narcissism.
Really, everything about envy, about weaponized victimhood, about the the nature of beauty, about the debasement of normality, it all sums up the Leftists in a fragile nutshell.
Makes sense now why the Left censor and slander people they see as a threat and want to shut down the free market. The Leftist ideologues will lose because they produce nothing but ugly, nihilistic and rehashed garbage.
No, I don’t think I will kiss you, although you need kissing, badly. That’s what’s wrong with you. You should be kissed and often, and by someone who knows how.
